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I am George Knapp listening to that UFO

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podcast and having one hell of a good

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and this is your

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long awaited long overdue delete as

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applicable review of moment of contact

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director James Fox's latest piece at

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joining me for this review is Dan

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welcome Harry howdy

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well that's uh

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you've had a copy of this for a while

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Dan as have I

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um and we've sat on it and I've watched

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that again just this morning and uh

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We've made some notes and we're going to

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talk about moment of contact it's been

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large it's been hyped up not by

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necessarily James Fox but others about

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the event the incident and it's it's

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coming to real prominence

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um we've got James Fox on the podcast on

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the 31st of October it'll be released

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but it'll be available

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um over the weekend in the next couple

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of days early access as well once that's

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done folks so be sure to check that out

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thanks to everyone who sent other

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questions as well James is obviously

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doing the media rounds at the moment so

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as always do my best to make sure it's a

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little bit different to what you've

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heard elsewhere

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moment of contact uh his follow-up piece

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kind of to the phenomenon because there

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is going to be a the phenomenon too so

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this isn't necessarily a sequel but it's

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the next piece that's came out is

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distributed by 1091 pictures and James

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Fox's own ce3 Productions it was

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released on the 18th of October on

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streaming platforms including iTunes

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Amazon Vimeo Etc the link will be in the

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description for the Pod for you to pick

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that up as well it's a genie.aus link

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with everything in there so you can you

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can pick your platform the production

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itself starts with a blurb on the screen

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Dan in January of 1996 North American

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Virginia Brazil and look for how many

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different ways we pronounce Virginia

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um yeah and Brazil yeah and Brazil no

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this is an incident which apparently has

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almost everything you would look for in

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a UFO event if you think of Roswell

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being the stereotypical UFO crash and

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what happened in the story and the myth

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and the lore it's got the crash it's got

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pictures U.S confiscation of materials

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and bodies and now potentially we'll get

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into later on 26 years later even more

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may be revealed as yet so it's very much

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the modern day Roswell in in almost

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every way shape or form just that the

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Witnesses are alive the people who are

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involved are all almost all still alive

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and able to speak or other ones who want

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to speak about it anyway

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did you know much about this incident

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the film and he said about the case you

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know a number of us just scattered like

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mice to go research it and figure out

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what happened and yeah it's a it's a

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really interesting case I can see why

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this and other Brazilian cases and I

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be more developments to come on this

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case particularly so get those questions

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can or they're not going to push it

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witness front and stuff like that but

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rumors are rumor so take away the Pinter

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of the New York Times it hasn't happened

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rumors and it's very hard to

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substantiate those at the moment as well

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might beginning before don't know

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documentary about other famous Brazilian

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Virginia and Beyond South America nice

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um talk about the large craft going

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night of the UFOs there's that official

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South American Way in terms of the

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cases and what comes out you notice

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shaped objects not that it was

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quiet on it so even if we were going the

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conspiracy route and saying oh yeah they

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where they developed it you know they're

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time and he describes a washing

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machine-like struggle of the craft to

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around and go back and eventually it

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um I liked how James Fox approached to

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now with the signs in the street just

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us sure and they literally stood in

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come so that was a nice uh a nice take

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all the Snippets I was going to say just

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quickly all the Snappers seemed very

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positive and happy to talk but that can

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very much be at the mercy of editing or

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selective Clips so we'll take that at

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face value and but the city has a very

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much you mentioned and embraced the case

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and the UFO stuff with the museum

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flying saucers and as is there an

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argument just for those who lean on the

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more skeptical side of things that it's

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similar to how Loch Ness really Embraces

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the monster because it's really good for

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that isn't there you know that's the

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that's the story that the town will be

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known for uh when people kind of go they

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would go to see all of these different

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places and learn about the the crash

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imagine if Phoenix Lights did this

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though you know five Simonton instead of

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kind of that cheesy approach if there

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was a museum and there was you know it's

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kind of like the the little seal of

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approval that kind of preponderance of

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evidence you know where they smoke this

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something definitely happened what that

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was that's what's been investigated you

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to a news channel and this was his only

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second interview on the Virginia case

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and what he saw with with James Fox some

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you know trying to find that place it's

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not as easy 26 years pass and trees have

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the patch doesn't he and you see it kind

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of clicks with him and he gets very

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emotional about what went on and what he

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witnesses throughout this film that talk

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about the stigma affecting their lives

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you know friends and family kind of

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teasing them about things and it's it's

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that that I kind of felt was pouring out

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you know when somebody went and they

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were listening to Carlos told his story

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and they weren't judging him for it and

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they were just saying show us what

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happened show us where it was you know

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they weren't kind of rolling their eyes

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and going ah you don't know where is the

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you yada yada

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um you know James was patient the crew

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was patient they found the spot they got

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some amazing testimony and yeah that

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that emotional reaction is really really

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palpable

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we see a clip of the mayor of Virginia

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talking about the event and he very

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honestly says you know I never saw the

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event myself when it happened but for

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him the strength of the testimony of you

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know his his citizens and those around

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have convinced him it's real and it

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happened you know his family members has

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was it his son's girlfriend at the time

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or his nephew's girlfriend was was a

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witness to the lights and so that's

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enough for him and he's heard enough

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about it that yeah that's happened

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because enough people and why would they

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make up why would you lie but I think

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it's fair to say that for some

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throughout this documentary where

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testimony maybe isn't enough

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they'll see a lack of evidence for this

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happening and as it weighs heavy on the

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strength of the testimony the emotion of

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the testimony the the kind of honesty

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and and the face value of what these

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people are talking about

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um and that's what makes it really

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interesting that if we are going to get

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follow-up evidence that could be huge

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and it would be

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the 35 second video coming out would

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make this documentary the additional

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piece to that 35 second video it was

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yeah you're right which is which is very

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strange

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um because it would be oh my God look at

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that we have to go now watch this as

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opposed to a documentary building up to

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the release of of something

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um Carlos he uses a branch to do to

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describe what he saw I like that you

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know just a log and he's literally going

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it's coming across the sky and it was

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like this and then it turned it and it

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crashes down and I think at this point I

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noticed where other documentaries that

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we have maybe been less kind about

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because I think we're going to be pretty

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positive on this one

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um usually per CGI and I get those

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budget constraints and stuff but I think

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sometimes less is more so leaving out

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really awkward CGI recreations

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as better even you can see that stuff in

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in Ancient Aliens or maybe not

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Skinwalker Ranch but those types of

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History Channel shows

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or even kind of lesser made

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documentaries on UFOs and it just makes

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it look cheap and I think it was really

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powerful to use him using the log but

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also then the short anime style

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animation that was very quick to show

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you the military officials and what it

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looks like and the animations didn't do

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it for me did you not like those they

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felt like sketches of something that was

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to be made and we we have someone in our

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the Discord

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um who made a uh you know a 3D animation

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of the the creature encounter and it

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looks amazing it's a really good way of

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kind of showing that that encounter but

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yeah I I missed the in the phenomenon

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James had some really great CGI

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Recreations that weren't overly done

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they weren't cheesy you know they were

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they were mostly silent and I think I

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would have preferred something like that

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but it's a small Network you know it's

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uh it's like budget though James always

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said this wasn't going to be as big as

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the phenomenon in terms of you know what

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even maybe potential the output from it

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and and the the audience may be for it

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as well as to what a phenomenon Tom

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I was quite happy with that and even

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that wasn't intersplaced throughout the

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whole thing there was very very little

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in terms of yeah

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here's what it might have looked like

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it's just down to the strength of the

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talking about it which which I quite

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liked I was I was quite happy with that

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um Carlos talks about the object uh and

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the grass being burned around the object

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object almost by like a chemical

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substance and you don't normally

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associate UFOs alien spacecraft which is

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essentially what we're talking about

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here with with chemicals do you or

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hearing that usually it's just like nuts

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and bolts Memory Metal but nothing

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leaking out of it and burning an area in

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in there are some cases where we've had

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like the the exhaust causing burn marks

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on people or the ground or you know the

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weight causing compression of the ground

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but yeah never never that kind of

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chemical reaction there and that's

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something that carries throughout this

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with the beings as well you know their

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chemicals present that interact with our

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environment and don't do so in a nice

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way

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did that make you lean towards it being

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um not necessarily just because the way

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I think of stuff like that is that a

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life form

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for that to be normal for them they

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would have had to develop in a very very

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different environment to us and sure you

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know that could be a cave or something

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like that

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um but I I would pause it that yeah that

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life form is developed in a very

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different environment and that's why

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those chemicals were so persistent

417
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throughout this case and and on their

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bodies and things like that yeah a very

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emotional car loss he finds that spot

420
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he's taking him you know 26 years to go

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back he talks about what he saw very

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powerful emotion for for him very

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powerful memory he said you know beings

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died here

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um and I'm going to come back to the the

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beings talk because Alice and I got in

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touch today with me

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um about stuff that she wasn't

429
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necessarily happy with around it and I

430
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actually had a point on this already

431
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maybe not as emotively as she made to me

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but I'm going to bring it up and I'm

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going to bring up with James as well

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because I think it's it's very fair

435
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um but we hear about the familiar

436
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aluminum memory type metal we know from

437
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Roswell you know it was like very

438
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similar both type shape it crumpled end

439
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went back out

440
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um which was yep cool it text the Box

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um at this point I think I realized you

442
00:15:15,410 --> 00:15:13,680
know oh it's really beautifully shot I

443
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like the use of the drones for cameras

444
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uh if whether it's James or the crews

445
00:15:21,650 --> 00:15:19,860
got it they use them very well

446
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:21,660
especially that Brazilian scenery it's

447
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stunning and I think if nothing else the

448
00:15:28,069 --> 00:15:26,220
documentary was always going to look

449
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polished and nice and they've

450
00:15:32,269 --> 00:15:29,459
accomplished that throughout Dan you're

451
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more of the TV documentary type guy than

452
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me giving your background yeah yeah yeah

453
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I mean you're not wrong like I thought

454
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it was really well shot it was really

455
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well produced you know technically it's

456
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a really well put together documentary

457
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and I don't think people can fault on

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that front at all

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um I just wanted to touch on because I

460
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feel like we're gonna move past Carlos

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in a second

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um how he described it as a washing

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machine I thought that was really

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interesting that kind of washing machine

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motion because we

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and I'll touch on Nick cook again the

467
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idea is that uh they they needed to come

468
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up with a technology that would spin

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Gyros like build a gyro basically and

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spin at a high speed and that through

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doing that they found that the mass of

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the object was was reduced so it was

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getting lighter essentially and and

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there's been some research over the

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years that suggests that you know

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through spinning gyros in certain

477
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directions at certain speeds you can

478
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reduce the weight of certain things

479
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um you know Tom DeLonge talks about it

480
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essentially with with the terahertz and

481
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things like that uh but if you imagine

482
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like a a malfunction in gyro like a ball

483
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bearing you you would get a kind of

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washing machine movement and and that

485
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was a really curious detail I just

486
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wanted to bring up because yeah that

487
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that makes sense according to all like

488
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these puzzle pieces that we've been

489
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given in certain areas yeah and we get

490
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to some more witnesses there are three

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sisters uh valkyria Liliana and Katya

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and they were teenagers teenagers young

493
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teenagers at the time now obviously

494
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grown women 26 years has passed and who

495
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said they saw one of the creatures the

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night after the crash James and his team

497
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take them back to the exact patch where

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they saw the creature who they say was

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counting against a wall if you're on any

500
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form of social media now you've probably

501
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saw the artist Impressions and some

502
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people have recreated those in different

503
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way shapes and forms which are really

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cool as well

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and they say it was it was scared as it

506
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was as scared of them as they were of it

507
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um thinking to the Brazilian UFO footage

508
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from the movie Signs we've talked about

509
00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:25,559
a few times when people bring up big

510
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confident looking Abe's Odyssey type

511
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creature walks out in front of a

512
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birthday camera whereas this was like

513
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coding it was scared and the artist's

514
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Impressions from it it seemed to capture

515
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that the the witnesses the three girls

516
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or women now are all very

517
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very serious when they talk about it

518
00:17:46,610 --> 00:17:45,240
there's no laughing there's no Smiles

519
00:17:48,770 --> 00:17:46,620
it's not light-hearted for them it was

520
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pretty serious and almost uncomfortable

521
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they talk about the sad expression and

522
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this is something I've seen a lot of

523
00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:54,960
folks comment about online about the the

524
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empathy they felt for the creature's

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predicament

526
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so on that talking about what the lesson

527
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,799
I got in touch with me about and

528
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something I've got in here it made me

529
00:18:07,490 --> 00:18:05,580
think about Ryan sprig you know shout

530
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,500
out hi Ryan wrote a book on the human

531
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element that's often overlooked in UFO

532
00:18:13,610 --> 00:18:11,160
cases and how when something like this

533
00:18:15,409 --> 00:18:13,620
happens people forget you know a Kevin

534
00:18:17,810 --> 00:18:15,419
day I think is probably the big example

535
00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:17,820
from Ryan's book how it affected him and

536
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his emotional well-being and mental

537
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state over the years and the ridicule

538
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and how he was treat uh threat and

539
00:18:26,029 --> 00:18:24,660
people were saying that's that's often

540
00:18:28,850 --> 00:18:26,039
just forgotten about

541
00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:28,860
but what we tend to then Overlook is the

542
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non-human entity side of things

543
00:18:34,370 --> 00:18:33,240
and you've got to also assume that that

544
00:18:36,490 --> 00:18:34,380
is what happened and that's what this

545
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being was that this thing was terrified

546
00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:38,700
from somewhere or at least an

547
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environment that's not familiar with and

548
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shouldn't be

549
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and

550
00:18:46,490 --> 00:18:44,520
The Listener who got in touch made the

551
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,500
point they felt that was sort of lacking

552
00:18:50,210 --> 00:18:48,720
in James's approach here and I wonder

553
00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:50,220
what you think about that that there

554
00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:52,140
seems to be a lack of sympathy for this

555
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:54,660
kind of alien creature that was in a

556
00:18:58,909 --> 00:18:56,880
very literal alien place

557
00:19:00,049 --> 00:18:58,919
and there's a lack of kind of empathy or

558
00:19:01,970 --> 00:19:00,059
sympathy towards that sort of

559
00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:01,980
predicament yeah that's interesting

560
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,660
because I I picked up on that as well

561
00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:05,039
the the note that I made was basically

562
00:19:08,990 --> 00:19:07,260
that they keep calling it a creature and

563
00:19:10,730 --> 00:19:09,000
instead of a being or an entity you know

564
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,740
there's more kind of

565
00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:12,480
we we like to discern between things

566
00:19:15,529 --> 00:19:13,860
that have free will and things that

567
00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:15,539
don't you know we think of animals as

568
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,980
not really having it in the same way as

569
00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:19,200
we do and yeah being faced with a

570
00:19:23,150 --> 00:19:20,820
creature that might have as much in

571
00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:23,160
inner Life as we do to call it a

572
00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:25,980
creature repeatedly and and you know

573
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:29,160
it it felt there was lip service paid

574
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,720
towards it and it was mostly the locals

575
00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:32,400
calling it a creature and and you know I

576
00:19:36,529 --> 00:19:34,200
think James did mention at one point you

577
00:19:38,210 --> 00:19:36,539
know that he must have felt really bad

578
00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:38,220
um but yeah it's a really intriguing

579
00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:39,900
spot where they could have maybe brought

580
00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:41,820
in an anthropologist or something like

581
00:19:46,010 --> 00:19:44,280
that to just talk about you know what

582
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:46,020
kind of being would be able to feel that

583
00:19:51,470 --> 00:19:49,200
kind of feeling and as well the kind of

584
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,480
the telepathic angle the very often we

585
00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:53,520
hear in these encounters that the beings

586
00:19:57,890 --> 00:19:55,860
will put out a kind of not a warning but

587
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,900
a telepathic message to kind of say this

588
00:20:01,250 --> 00:19:59,039
is how I feel and I'm trying to

589
00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:01,260
communicate it to you and there probably

590
00:20:04,130 --> 00:20:02,580
could have been a little conversation

591
00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:04,140
around that when it came to the being

592
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:07,799
but I felt pretty bad for it

593
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,520
um I can only imagine if we send a ship

594
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,960
to another planet to look at the

595
00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:15,120
civilization and our people got stuck

596
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:17,220
there how they would feel being in a

597
00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:18,480
completely alien environment being

598
00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:20,460
hunted essentially but it was really

599
00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:22,740
curious to me that there's kind of a gap

600
00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:25,260
of missing time right where that the

601
00:20:28,130 --> 00:20:27,000
crash happened and then the being was

602
00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:28,140
found and there's about I think there

603
00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:29,700
was about five days to a week there

604
00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:32,220
where it would have just been around and

605
00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:34,860
that for me would be a gap that I would

606
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,559
like filled yeah definitely

607
00:20:40,370 --> 00:20:39,120
um and it was a really good point so I

608
00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:40,380
wouldn't mention her name because she's

609
00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:41,700
not said whether I should I shouldn't

610
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:43,140
use it so I'll leave that one out for

611
00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:43,860
now

612
00:20:48,650 --> 00:20:45,960
um but thanks for mentioning her up on

613
00:20:50,210 --> 00:20:48,660
screen yeah yeah let's address

614
00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:50,220
everything yeah

615
00:20:53,930 --> 00:20:52,440
um this you mentioned the smell before

616
00:20:55,610 --> 00:20:53,940
um is that something that is discussed

617
00:20:58,190 --> 00:20:55,620
often in the documentary a sort of

618
00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:58,200
ammonia sulfur type smell and that made

619
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:59,580
me straight away just personally think

620
00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:01,919
about talking about demonic entities yes

621
00:21:04,669 --> 00:21:03,240
you know we've got a lot of Catholic

622
00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:04,679
families here they mentioned the

623
00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:07,020
Catholicism and that religion

624
00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:08,700
um and we discussed these these beings

625
00:21:13,549 --> 00:21:11,160
being you know labeled as such

626
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,559
throughout time whether it was Angels

627
00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:15,360
demons all that kind of stuff and it

628
00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:16,919
made me think yeah sure especially if

629
00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:18,600
one of these these beings was around

630
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,940
back in 2000 years ago and you hear

631
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,679
about ammonia sulfur that type of smell

632
00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:25,200
being associated with hell the devil and

633
00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:26,700
you see something that looks yeah

634
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:28,380
something looks abolish doesn't it like

635
00:21:32,350 --> 00:21:30,360
kind of I suppose you would say it looks

636
00:21:35,090 --> 00:21:32,360
kind of evil almost just because of

637
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:35,100
interpretations over the years

638
00:21:42,649 --> 00:21:40,730
forget is it childhood end it's an

639
00:21:44,450 --> 00:21:42,659
Arthur C Clarke book where where

640
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:44,460
literally an alien species comes to

641
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,740
Earth and they kind of they try and

642
00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:48,000
interact with us and influence us

643
00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:49,559
without showing themselves to us because

644
00:21:54,289 --> 00:21:52,260
they look like Satan and people just

645
00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:54,299
aren't ready for that imagery because of

646
00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:56,340
how they hold it you know and they're

647
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,200
good guys they they ultimately you know

648
00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:00,000
help us out and bring us medical

649
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:02,220
technology to help us and so on so forth

650
00:22:05,570 --> 00:22:04,200
but yeah they try not to show themselves

651
00:22:06,830 --> 00:22:05,580
because people are terrified of them

652
00:22:09,409 --> 00:22:06,840
because they look like these Big Red

653
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:09,419
Devils and and that's what this reminded

654
00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:10,559
me of

655
00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:12,539
yeah I'm going to move on to talk about

656
00:22:17,090 --> 00:22:14,940
Marco shirazi who was the police officer

657
00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:17,100
have you got anything before that no no

658
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,360
we can now we can just I think that was

659
00:22:21,409 --> 00:22:19,919
kind of the next part enemy wasn't it in

660
00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:21,419
the documentary I'm not going to talk

661
00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:22,620
through a documentary but for what

662
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:24,419
people should really go and watch it

663
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,760
um but Marco shirazi was the police

664
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,039
officer who apparently captured the

665
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,200
being with his bare hands after it ran

666
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,880
out in front of his car it was a very

667
00:22:37,370 --> 00:22:35,520
short correct yeah courtroom sketch

668
00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:37,380
um you mentioned again that the smell

669
00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:39,240
was there there was a greasy sticky

670
00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:41,220
sensation to the being

671
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:42,980
um he basically

672
00:22:48,130 --> 00:22:46,260
grapples it throws it in the car and you

673
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:48,140
know takes that away captures this being

674
00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:51,000
Marco shirazi died eventually didn't he

675
00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:52,740
of an infection he developed which

676
00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:54,659
apparently developed and grew more and

677
00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:56,460
more in the weeks after having captured

678
00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:58,500
this being so there's the association

679
00:23:03,289 --> 00:23:01,380
that the the contact the skin to skin or

680
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,299
whatever it may have been was enough to

681
00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:04,799
to cause that

682
00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:07,080
probably indirect might have been a

683
00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:08,700
direct response like a defense mechanism

684
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:10,679
it could have been you know just the

685
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,380
fact that this we hear about don't make

686
00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:15,120
coming into contact with these objects

687
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:17,400
our craft you know just by their very

688
00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:19,799
nature are harmful to us as as human

689
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:21,900
beings and it could have been completely

690
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:24,120
Innocent but just a byproduct of that

691
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,280
contact what do you kind of think in

692
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,320
terms of that the the mention in the

693
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:30,000
film I think they described it as his

694
00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:32,940
immune system just shut down and

695
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:34,980
again not not the first case we've heard

696
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:37,799
that with UFO stuff and even kind of

697
00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:39,240
referencing covid you know living

698
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:41,159
through that we we know that people are

699
00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:42,539
more susceptible with their immune

700
00:23:48,289 --> 00:23:46,020
systems or they're not uh so

701
00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:48,299
it sounds logical as a thing that would

702
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,100
happen that if you know you touched a

703
00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:52,799
foreign substance that wasn't you know

704
00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:54,539
kind of in a war of the worldsy type way

705
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,860
you'd never kind of encountered it

706
00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:57,840
before that your immune system just gets

707
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,640
overwhelmed and shuts down and it just

708
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:01,919
cannot cope with it they say that there

709
00:24:06,649 --> 00:24:03,539
was an unknown substance that wasn't you

710
00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:06,659
know on the report so I I would love for

711
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:08,940
someone like Gary Nolan or someone that

712
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:10,980
Gary knows to have a look at this guy's

713
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,659
blood and I'm sure there's a toxicology

714
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:14,640
report that they can look into and get a

715
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:16,500
bit more information out of

716
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:17,940
absolutely

717
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:19,799
um so we've had various researchers and

718
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:22,020
authors say that various incidents in

719
00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:24,840
the past could be put down to horrendous

720
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:28,380
experiments being you know performed on

721
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,419
or causing deformities with human beings

722
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,400
I know I've had guests on who've talked

723
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:34,799
about you know Roswell was deformed

724
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,840
humans and experiments had been done all

725
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:39,000
that kind of stuff which that stuff has

726
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,440
gone on in the past like horrendous

727
00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:41,760
things that have happened throughout

728
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:44,220
human history and hearing about chemical

729
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,860
burns strange disease a strange looking

730
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:48,780
humanoid being creature the different

731
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,559
smells that we can sort of identify as

732
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:54,000
there are more of an argument they are

733
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:57,419
for this case being something that was

734
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:58,919
potentially in a sort of ask you this

735
00:25:02,570 --> 00:24:59,940
before but putting all that together

736
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:02,580
more human than not that there could

737
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,200
have been an element of this being some

738
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:07,440
sort of experiment someone getting out

739
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:09,659
it's it's as wild and strange as it

740
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:11,940
would be a human an alien space ship

741
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,280
crashing and they're being escaping but

742
00:25:18,169 --> 00:25:16,440
there is a lot there that I'm sure

743
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,179
people will look and go chemicals

744
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:20,880
strange disease you know humanoid type

745
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:22,620
figure deformed

746
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:25,320
that's really and that's fair and you

747
00:25:29,149 --> 00:25:26,700
could add to that the fact that the US

748
00:25:30,769 --> 00:25:29,159
supposedly notified them uh you know

749
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,779
they they could have known that that

750
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:32,159
craft was there because they were

751
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:33,600
tracking it because they were doing an

752
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:34,919
experiment

753
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:36,360
um you know it's it's hard to go either

754
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:37,860
way especially without that footage and

755
00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:40,260
without those photos that's part of the

756
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:41,700
reason I hope that they come out so that

757
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,900
we can kind of go okay this is

758
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,640
definitely alien or okay this is more

759
00:25:48,649 --> 00:25:46,080
prosaic and it's more what kit green

760
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,659
talks about with you know malformed

761
00:25:52,669 --> 00:25:50,880
children and and just really unique

762
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,679
disabilities that just make them look

763
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:55,200
very much like something other you know

764
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:57,299
to people that only get a glimpse

765
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,860
I think at this point it made me

766
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,600
thinking of because I've wrote the note

767
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:02,400
down I'm going to read it that I'd love

768
00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:05,760
to see this as some sort of Netflix type

769
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:08,220
series a series of documentaries where

770
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:10,260
James could go and investigate with a

771
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:12,539
budget of a Netflix behind them and uh

772
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,440
70 to 80 90 minute format famous events

773
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,200
and pull the witnesses out

774
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:21,600
get maybe that more expensive CGI if

775
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:24,360
required and and really concentrate and

776
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:26,340
focus on narrowing down these types of

777
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:28,740
events the witness testimony I think you

778
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,539
you open up to that Netflix audience

779
00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:32,880
which is massive because let's be fair

780
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:34,620
that that audience of millions of

781
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:36,900
Netflix users even the ones who watch

782
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,020
the UFO stuff aren't necessarily going

783
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,480
away and paying for this separately or

784
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:44,460
hunting it out even separately they go

785
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:46,200
to Netflix and I just thought they'd be

786
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,820
real benefit because I think James is

787
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,919
still would work really well in that

788
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,600
type of Netflix format which has become

789
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,039
very popular and especially the True

790
00:26:56,529 --> 00:26:55,200
Crime can I genre which is really taking

791
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,539
off

792
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,279
like Unsolved Mysteries you know that

793
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:01,440
show has had a few other UFO episodes

794
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,700
that have done really well and people

795
00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:04,799
talk about them really often um they put

796
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:06,299
together compelling little Snippets of

797
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,340
cases and yeah I think James would

798
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:09,840
really excel in that kind of format like

799
00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:11,100
like Marvel's kind of special

800
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,779
presentations instead of saying it has

801
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,120
to be a short TV show or a long movie

802
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:17,279
something in between that that kind of

803
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:19,740
yeah not not quite feature length but it

804
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:21,179
just stays around as long as it needs to

805
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,740
and then especially with this case

806
00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:24,480
because it's still developing you know

807
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,860
later in the season you could come back

808
00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:27,360
and add more evidence to it as it

809
00:27:30,830 --> 00:27:28,679
develops I think that'd be a really cool

810
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,840
Series yeah I could see a big audience

811
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:32,640
for that especially in the mainstream

812
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,020
for folks who don't necessarily have

813
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,480
that kind of UFO affiliation and it's an

814
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,159
easy one for someone to say oh watch the

815
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:40,500
documentary last night oh yeah but I've

816
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,640
got an incident in Brazil and there's

817
00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:42,960
like a crash and there was aliens

818
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,179
running about and oh whereas I saw on

819
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:47,039
Netflix I'll go and find it as opposed

820
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,900
to oh yeah I rented it on a streaming

821
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:50,400
platform I can send you the link for it

822
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:51,480
now you're okay

823
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,700
because yeah that conversation probably

824
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:55,440
goes for most people and you and I are

825
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,179
happy paying you know 20 quid to watch

826
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,039
this but unless you're really into the

827
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:00,720
UFO subject you're not gonna do that

828
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:04,320
yeah 100 and again it's very easy and

829
00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:05,640
this is something that people will send

830
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,140
and question wise and all this happens

831
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,600
with James and and others but why don't

832
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:12,480
you get it on Netflix I'm sure James Fox

833
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:14,100
would have loved Netflix to have paid

834
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:16,380
him to pick this up and distribute it

835
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,380
it's just not as easy as that uh so and

836
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:21,840
with places like Netflix as well they

837
00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:23,580
can say you've got to do XYZ you need to

838
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:24,900
cut it down to this time you've got to

839
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,220
take that out you've got to add this in

840
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:27,600
you've gotta you know when we probably

841
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,100
would have had a bit more of the

842
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:31,200
Superfluous nonsense that we don't like

843
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,260
having in our UFO documentaries so it's

844
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:36,480
good that it's formed and if James wants

845
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,220
to put on streaming platforms now he can

846
00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:40,440
you know they can pay him for it but I

847
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:42,539
certainly know you know Steven Greer has

848
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:44,220
a bunch of documentaries on Netflix and

849
00:28:48,529 --> 00:28:45,659
I would prefer this on there quite

850
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:48,539
frankly yeah exactly and it's it's

851
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:50,220
fainting that happy medium and that

852
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:51,179
balance

853
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,700
um me I made a lot less notes on the

854
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,440
latter part of the documentary and

855
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:57,840
that's in no way shape or form a slight

856
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,539
but just sort of watching and it was

857
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:03,360
building a case for the the

858
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:06,299
transportation of the beings the what

859
00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:08,460
kind of happened afterwards it's very

860
00:29:14,169 --> 00:29:12,059
testimony based and um again more

861
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:14,179
witness statements and testimony

862
00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:16,740
of my mind was

863
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:18,419
I forget the guy's name I think they

864
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:20,520
called him military acts in the film

865
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,140
um the guy who supposedly drove the

866
00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,960
being around and that that apparently

867
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,460
they've been building that relationship

868
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,799
for 10 to 15 years trying to get him to

869
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,720
give his testimony on camera so it's a

870
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:32,399
it's a bit of a minor miracle that we

871
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,720
even got to see the back of his head you

872
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,520
know I'm sure there are people who know

873
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,200
that guy that were like oh that's Steven

874
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:39,120
or whatever they they do and instantly

875
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:41,220
you know yeah Stephen the guy that Drew

876
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,320
the drove their Melody the UFO guy about

877
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:44,880
the alien guy yeah

878
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:46,919
um so yeah and as difficult and I'm

879
00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:48,659
going to get to

880
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,220
to that as part of this General

881
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:52,320
discussion to kind of finish off before

882
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:53,820
we go into thoughts and all that kind of

883
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:54,600
stuff

884
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:56,580
um there's a lot of rumors just now

885
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,700
about a video that may come out about 35

886
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:01,679
seconds long

887
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:04,140
um you know sources say and it is just

888
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:07,140
rumors at this moment I got text About a

889
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:10,679
Week Ago by someone from Brazil telling

890
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:12,600
me that there was there was a video

891
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:14,520
doing their owns and that it might come

892
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,380
out before it started going heavier

893
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:18,299
online but I don't like to do the whole

894
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,700
oh I've heard in rumors nonsense because

895
00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:22,740
you just look stupid otherwise so I was

896
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,899
like oh well that'll be great if it did

897
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:27,120
um and very quickly I think the day

898
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,980
after two days after people started

899
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:30,899
talking about it more and more

900
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,899
um if there are videos floating about of

901
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:36,120
any kind of medical procedure or rumor

902
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:38,220
being it's a doctor that performed the

903
00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:40,140
autopsy on the being

904
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:42,260
um room up to be about 35 seconds long

905
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:45,659
that is massive I will just say and

906
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:47,159
you've seen this as well done there's a

907
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:49,080
picture floating around online of like a

908
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,700
being with a net over it that's from

909
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:52,559
like a documentary or a TV show that was

910
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:54,779
very quickly if you jump if you see a

911
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,279
picture or video folks that you think

912
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:58,799
wow that looks incredible just jump in

913
00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:00,779
the thread and normally very quickly

914
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:02,460
you'll see someone has put no actually

915
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,200
it's from this and it's from this TV

916
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:06,480
show it's a prop from this and you can

917
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:08,760
very quickly clear that up so and always

918
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,620
do a reverse image search on stuff as

919
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:12,960
well like tiny eye uh Google reverse

920
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:14,220
image search you know you can just give

921
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,659
it the image and say when was the first

922
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:17,279
time this appeared online and very often

923
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:19,020
just go back to the earliest one and

924
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,460
you'll see exactly where it came from

925
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,799
yeah so the picture's not correct and I

926
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:24,480
would say look out for people like James

927
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,940
Fox presenting pictures and videos of

928
00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:28,980
anything to do with this first because

929
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:30,659
it's likely that's going to be at least

930
00:31:35,389 --> 00:31:33,539
a clarification from him especially with

931
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:35,399
James putting up two hundred thousand

932
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:39,000
dollars that was a small amount they

933
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:41,520
they during James did a Reddit ask me

934
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:43,020
anything and during that someone said

935
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,059
why have you only offered 200k that's a

936
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,279
small amount for and in a way I get with

937
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:48,720
the same because you know if this is

938
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:51,419
what we think it is then it's worth

939
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,860
millions

940
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:54,960
um but at the same time no one knows how

941
00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:56,700
much money James has on hand he you know

942
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:58,500
like this guy was looking up like what

943
00:32:01,610 --> 00:32:00,299
James's net worth was on Google and

944
00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:01,620
comparing it and kind of saying he's

945
00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:02,940
worth seven million according to Google

946
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:04,980
and I just thought that's that's not

947
00:32:09,409 --> 00:32:07,679
fair you know we have so many people out

948
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,419
there trying to get this and doing their

949
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,640
best that that I think it's fair that we

950
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:14,159
cut people some swag yeah two things I'm

951
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:15,720
sure James's wife would argue two

952
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:17,159
hundred thousand dollars is a lot of

953
00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:19,080
money for a start

954
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:22,380
um and I would secondly argue that it'll

955
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,940
really again still depend on the

956
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:25,919
strength of the footage because was

957
00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:27,480
you're going to be thinking about

958
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:30,539
something that was VHS 1996 camcorder

959
00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:32,340
style and even if it's a good camcorder

960
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:33,899
there's still going to be some

961
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:35,399
degradation of the quality of the

962
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:36,360
footage

963
00:32:41,049 --> 00:32:38,220
um but even if it is clear

964
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:41,059
it's still how do you prove that is 100

965
00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:43,020
genuine still

966
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,520
so there's still going to be people

967
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:47,760
unhappy with it so this isn't

968
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:49,559
a government coming out and seeing here

969
00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:51,299
as genuine footage this is still someone

970
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:53,640
handing over him a videotape that's 26

971
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,140
years old and saying yeah this is this

972
00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:57,120
is the real footage it'll be analyzed

973
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,220
it'll be confirmed yes it's true but it

974
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:01,080
still only will add I think it'll have a

975
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:03,059
lot of weight but it's still not going

976
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:04,200
to be

977
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,640
I don't think it's going to lead the

978
00:33:09,549 --> 00:33:06,960
nine o'clock news like we've said before

979
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:09,559
Dan on the BBC like you know

980
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:12,659
real genuine UFO footage it'll be still

981
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,700
the end of a piece or it'll be some

982
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:16,620
online stuff it'll be interesting I

983
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:18,120
think the best we could hope for it in

984
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:20,340
terms of a follow-up are like the New

985
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,260
York Times potentially doing an article

986
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:23,760
on it as well if that's going to be

987
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:25,380
through Leslie Kane Ralph Blumenthal

988
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,440
Elaine Cooper or others but yeah two

989
00:33:32,289 --> 00:33:29,760
hundred thousand dollars I think is a

990
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:32,299
lot of money anyway

991
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:35,460
I I think the Paris Hilton got less for

992
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,260
you know the leak tapes that she's gonna

993
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:39,840
put out never seen or heard of those no

994
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:41,700
idea what you're talking about uh

995
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:43,860
speaking of no no no

996
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,019
um we see Carlos de Souza uh describing

997
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,000
a sort of Men In Black incident towards

998
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,919
the end as well and this can again

999
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,600
bringing it around to this modern day

1000
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,279
and some of the conversations people are

1001
00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:55,200
having now like a Men In Black type

1002
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:58,620
incident uh people come to him there's

1003
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:00,840
an intimidation oh I do Carlos de Souza

1004
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,940
yep your daughter is yep and you're yep

1005
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,559
and you work here yep and you it

1006
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:06,720
basically lay out his life and then you

1007
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,460
know you recently saw something just to

1008
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:10,320
say you saw nothing

1009
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:12,300
and you know he who are you and doesn't

1010
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:14,099
matter who we are you know you saw

1011
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:15,720
nothing and there is that intimidation

1012
00:34:19,070 --> 00:34:17,580
tactic laying out in front of you that

1013
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:19,080
yeah we know your family we know who you

1014
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,760
are you don't need to talk about this

1015
00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:22,560
you shouldn't talk about this you need

1016
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,139
to make this go away or yourself need to

1017
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:27,960
go away and it just again brought up the

1018
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:29,820
idea and in getting old and others have

1019
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:31,379
mentioned this on the podcast and other

1020
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:33,540
interviews I've done recently it's not

1021
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:35,639
as easy as people who want to be

1022
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:38,639
whistleblowers or brick ndas or come

1023
00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:40,200
forward and discuss things in Congress

1024
00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:42,119
even if they are granted immunity

1025
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,020
because there's still a whole lot of of

1026
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:47,099
I'm sure goes on in the

1027
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:50,040
background and intimidation and we want

1028
00:34:52,129 --> 00:34:51,000
someone to come out and say yeah I

1029
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:52,139
worked in a crash retrieval program

1030
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:54,179
Chris melon literally days ago in an

1031
00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:57,000
interview with a German show

1032
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:59,099
um talked about how someone apparently

1033
00:35:02,089 --> 00:35:00,420
was meant to come and meet him to

1034
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,099
discuss a crash retrieval program they

1035
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,320
were working on and unfortunately died

1036
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,720
of a heart attack you can go anywhere

1037
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:08,220
you want with that you know it was

1038
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:10,200
deliberate it was brought on maybe they

1039
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:12,180
did just die of a heart attack but it

1040
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,560
was enough for Chris melon to bring that

1041
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:16,320
up and people are families people of

1042
00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:17,940
lives people have careers and I'm sure

1043
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:19,980
there are people in the military now or

1044
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:22,619
in government working their way up who

1045
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:23,940
could come forward and provide

1046
00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:25,980
information but as much as they would

1047
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:28,380
maybe like to they do value their career

1048
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:30,420
in their position and they are happy

1049
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:31,980
carrying on with that and keeping what

1050
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,480
they've got to themselves until such

1051
00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:35,760
time the conversation opens up in a

1052
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:37,320
different way and I think that's that's

1053
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:39,060
got to be seen as Fair

1054
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,200
yeah I mean any anyone that goes through

1055
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:44,640
you know being a member of the military

1056
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,339
or a politician they they know the game

1057
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:48,720
that they're stepping into right like

1058
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:50,460
they're there's National Security risks

1059
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:51,720
there's considerations for their

1060
00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:53,700
families and they they've got to kind of

1061
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,180
they're dedicated to doing what's right

1062
00:36:01,010 --> 00:35:59,700
for the United States of America or the

1063
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:01,020
world like if we're talking a bigger

1064
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:03,660
program so if there are reasons for for

1065
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:05,820
the secrecy that we're not aware of that

1066
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,560
they are it's completely understandable

1067
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:09,119
that they you know clutch those pearls

1068
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:11,700
and kind of keep it close to their chest

1069
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:13,560
once a few people stop coming out I

1070
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:15,240
think more people will start talking but

1071
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,560
getting those initial people to start

1072
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:18,240
talking is really tough because like you

1073
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,800
said the

1074
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:21,839
it's great that Congress surpassing this

1075
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,980
legislation but any reach of any group

1076
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:28,079
who's been looking at this for 70 odd

1077
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:30,060
years and maybe like in the case you

1078
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:32,339
just described cause a heart attack we

1079
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:33,780
we've got to kind of assume that their

1080
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,640
reaches further that they have more

1081
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:38,160
resources that they do in all of what

1082
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:39,720
they're doing under the radar and

1083
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,339
therefore don't need to stick to you

1084
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:42,720
know the rules and the red tape that

1085
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,000
maybe politicians do and that's a little

1086
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:46,560
bit scary to think about you know like

1087
00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,940
you you could feel completely secure

1088
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,560
being a complete safe house and still

1089
00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:50,640
there's a knock at the door and there's

1090
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:53,099
someone in a suit saying hi Carlos you

1091
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:54,660
know this is your address these are your

1092
00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,520
kids this is your wife blah blah blah

1093
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:58,440
and yeah well I mean what would you do

1094
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:00,119
you you took me wish that you never said

1095
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:03,780
anything right 100 yeah and I get that's

1096
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:06,420
why it was asked James Fox on the AMA

1097
00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:07,560
and I think it was a bit of an obvious

1098
00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:10,680
answer anyway but why do you think the

1099
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,839
the person I believe it's a gentleman

1100
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:14,700
who hasn't come forward with the video

1101
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:17,700
hasn't done so in 26 years and he said I

1102
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,220
don't know probably fear and yeah that's

1103
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:22,740
100 understandable and on a similar vein

1104
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:24,420
because this is something James Fox has

1105
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:25,980
talked about in the past

1106
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:27,480
um you're aware of the video from the

1107
00:37:32,089 --> 00:37:29,880
guy Chuck out in Nevada Chuck Clark yeah

1108
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:32,099
yeah who has got the Apparently but

1109
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:33,240
we'll mentioned this before on the

1110
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:35,460
podcast but a video which apparently

1111
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,980
shows two two guys young guys I believe

1112
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:40,020
who are out driving who essentially

1113
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:41,220
filmed

1114
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:44,099
an alien craft right above their car and

1115
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,540
for those who have seen it we'll say

1116
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,520
it's the most amazing footage you could

1117
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:49,200
imagine you know they're in the car

1118
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,660
scrambling about VHS this thing was

1119
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,040
literally over the top of the car they

1120
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:54,960
get out and they film it

1121
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:55,740
um

1122
00:38:01,730 --> 00:37:58,740
James Fox said that this has been shown

1123
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,740
by Chuck to people recently yeah so he

1124
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:03,839
still has it and other people are seeing

1125
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,300
it and I wonder is that going to be

1126
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:08,400
something that potentially comes out in

1127
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:10,920
briefings and because people at Chris

1128
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:12,420
melon will be well aware that video

1129
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,140
exists yeah and I would imagine would

1130
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:17,760
say to people in Congress who really do

1131
00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:19,560
have an interest in this topic you know

1132
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:21,180
right now there are a couple of videos

1133
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:23,820
out there Chuck clocks of the alleged

1134
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,500
UFO right above the car

1135
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,839
and I mean close enough I believe you

1136
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,579
can see inscriptions and and you know

1137
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:32,040
detail on the the UFO yeah structured

1138
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:33,900
craft it was described as yeah clearly

1139
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,420
right and I crushed me a lot of game

1140
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:37,680
would be saying to people on on the hill

1141
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:38,940
and such you know there's another video

1142
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:41,579
of uh a being with an autopsy in Brazil

1143
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:44,220
That's only 26 years old that again we

1144
00:38:48,589 --> 00:38:46,680
could uh we could get a hold of so I'm

1145
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,599
sure if all of this stuff is happening

1146
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:51,119
in the background there will be pressure

1147
00:38:55,010 --> 00:38:53,460
from from different fronts to get a hold

1148
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:55,020
of that type of footage

1149
00:38:59,450 --> 00:38:57,720
because all of that is is huge

1150
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,460
absolutely massive

1151
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,560
um I think they would still both stop

1152
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:03,359
short of being Smoking Gun footage

1153
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:04,680
because there's still that question of

1154
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:07,079
is it real is it genuine what is it

1155
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:08,640
actually showing

1156
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,859
um but I think people are because really

1157
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,720
really really want to see those those

1158
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,880
videos and that footage as well yeah and

1159
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,079
and it's the kind of thing that I would

1160
00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:18,000
love to you know the reports do in a few

1161
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:19,859
days the UAP report it would be amazing

1162
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,140
if just for a paragraph they were like

1163
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:23,520
oh yeah we've got the chuckler footage

1164
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,780
we've looked at oh yeah we've got the

1165
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:26,160
Virginia footage yeah I've looked at it

1166
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:27,300
you know when they're just going through

1167
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:28,859
these things systematically and actually

1168
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:31,500
looking at all the available evidence

1169
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:33,540
um I I feel like the Chuck Clark stuff

1170
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:36,240
will come out one day uh that it's kind

1171
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:37,500
of teetering isn't it but that's a

1172
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:39,960
similar deal it's uh maybe a fifth or

1173
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:42,780
sixth generation copy on VHS and even in

1174
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:44,579
the freeze frames which I'll I'll get

1175
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,380
and I'll pop up on on the video and you

1176
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:48,480
know we can link them in the show notes

1177
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:50,460
um you can see like the snow over the

1178
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,140
screen kind of blocking some some of the

1179
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:53,520
craft and it's literally just

1180
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:55,560
degradation of the material aerial and

1181
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:56,579
there's nothing you can really do about

1182
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,820
it right yeah it's and I imagine even if

1183
00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:01,920
and when it does come out and feel

1184
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,420
people like myself are going to watch

1185
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,820
and go oh it's great but for

1186
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:07,920
and be frustrated at something either

1187
00:40:13,069 --> 00:40:10,320
where it cuts off or the lack of detail

1188
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,079
in one little bit and yeah but I think

1189
00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:14,640
that's just the the Beauty and the

1190
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:16,859
frustration of the subject all round but

1191
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:19,079
bringing it back to finish off Dan um I

1192
00:40:23,089 --> 00:40:21,240
wanted to know any overall thoughts or

1193
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:23,099
anything else around the moment of

1194
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:25,380
contact piece you want to bring up and

1195
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:27,420
just kind of finishing off

1196
00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:29,940
I just you know I think James told a

1197
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:31,800
really concise story he introduced the

1198
00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:33,780
world to this really compelling new case

1199
00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:35,640
for me I wish there was a little more

1200
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:38,460
news footage from the time uh you know

1201
00:40:42,589 --> 00:40:40,200
maybe that that claim at the beginning

1202
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,599
when the US notified Brazil that

1203
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,400
something was incoming just a little

1204
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,839
more proof around there because that was

1205
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,760
a part of the story that I was like okay

1206
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,960
that would have been cool if there's a

1207
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:50,400
paperwork or you know more than

1208
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:52,500
testimony yeah so it wasn't just it

1209
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:54,060
wasn't just me but that came up and then

1210
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:56,700
wasn't really addressed yeah so so I

1211
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,200
assume they saw something that convinced

1212
00:41:01,130 --> 00:41:00,000
them really you know beyond a shadow of

1213
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:01,140
a doubt of that but it would have been

1214
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,720
nice to see that too uh Peter Coyote I

1215
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:05,760
mean what can you say he does wonderful

1216
00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:09,180
voiceovers and he he he's outstanding as

1217
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:11,940
well says a lot of things that you know

1218
00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:14,460
uh he says allegedly maybe possibly a

1219
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:16,619
lot so this is very much like I say

1220
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,780
different to the phenomena in that it's

1221
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:20,160
not about the developments that have

1222
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:21,420
happened over the past few years it's

1223
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:24,060
investigating a case uh the whole thing

1224
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:26,220
proves to me that something took place

1225
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:28,500
that there seems to be us involvement

1226
00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:29,820
but I would just like a little bit more

1227
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:31,800
evidence around that and and I think

1228
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,780
your example earlier of if this was a TV

1229
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:35,160
show I think it would have been a maybe

1230
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:36,900
a bit of a better format for for an

1231
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:40,079
ongoing investigation yeah I'll add um

1232
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,359
I'm going to get to a worry I had and I

1233
00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:44,400
told you this at the time before it even

1234
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,420
came out

1235
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:47,760
um and when we first got the copy and

1236
00:41:50,450 --> 00:41:49,320
how I feel about that now but my overall

1237
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:50,460
thoughts

1238
00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:52,020
um really enjoyed it I think it's a

1239
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,579
great piece I think we've been very

1240
00:41:58,130 --> 00:41:55,440
fortunate this year to have the aerial

1241
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,140
phenomenon documentary and this come out

1242
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:00,480
which I think you can see this one

1243
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:03,660
definitely had a bigger budget and there

1244
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:06,119
was maybe it was more polished it was

1245
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,060
dealing with something that was a little

1246
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:11,220
had not necessarily more recent was it

1247
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,839
but they managed to get a lot more

1248
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:15,599
footage from now as opposed to a lot of

1249
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:17,460
historical type footage which actually

1250
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:18,660
to be fair you said you would like to

1251
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:19,740
see a little bit more of that wouldn't

1252
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:21,420
you so I really enjoyed it I think

1253
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:22,920
people are going to enjoy it and to tie

1254
00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:24,300
in my worry

1255
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:26,579
I said to you a few months ago that

1256
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:29,160
people have huge expectations after the

1257
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:31,020
phenomenon and they're going to expect

1258
00:42:35,089 --> 00:42:33,480
this to be the phenomenon too and it's

1259
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:35,099
not going to be and even though James

1260
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,020
had said as much that it was a smaller

1261
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,839
scale it was a you know it was taking a

1262
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,480
magnifying glass over a real

1263
00:42:47,569 --> 00:42:45,300
particular case an event and that's not

1264
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:47,579
everyone's cup of tea I don't think this

1265
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:50,700
is a documentary in the top three or

1266
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:52,020
four even you're going to show to people

1267
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,820
who want an introduction to the UFO

1268
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,800
phenomenon like the phenomenon is now

1269
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,540
the kind of staple as we would say for

1270
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:59,280
people like us to show

1271
00:43:02,809 --> 00:43:01,140
um however I think it's one of those

1272
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:02,819
that once people get into it and they

1273
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:05,400
maybe go want to get past Roswell you

1274
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,780
could definitely go I would watch this

1275
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,160
if I was you because this is really

1276
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:10,619
interesting and listen listen to the

1277
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:12,540
witnesses listen to the people I think

1278
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:14,040
once people have got past that okay

1279
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,140
something's definitely happening here in

1280
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:17,760
terms of you know there being a UFO

1281
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:20,460
phenomenon they'll enjoy this and I

1282
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,380
think there's a lot to get out of it and

1283
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:24,000
I think that the beauty being we keep

1284
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:26,339
hearing that literally as we record this

1285
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,500
and and the days following there should

1286
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:30,720
be more comes out and it seems to be a

1287
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,980
lot of people are picking that up and

1288
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:33,359
whether that's a little bit of the hype

1289
00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:35,460
train I don't know but we're hearing

1290
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,839
about like you say potential New York

1291
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:38,880
Times article potential 35 second video

1292
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,880
of of a being being autopsied and who

1293
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:43,440
knows what else maybe briefings are

1294
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:44,640
happening behind closed doors we're

1295
00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:46,200
hearing as well on the hill and and

1296
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:48,839
other places about it too and I would

1297
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:51,599
imagine and I would hope as well that um

1298
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:53,640
as a one of the investigators or

1299
00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:56,700
researchers pakachini is his son name oh

1300
00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:57,960
yeah yeah yeah

1301
00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:01,079
um AJ javard Ronnie Verne and other UFO

1302
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,300
researchers in Brazil get their credit

1303
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:05,640
on this too and can pick up and and come

1304
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,839
out and speak about it and that's why

1305
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,640
I'm really Keen to have AJ on the show

1306
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,319
because they have done the work on this

1307
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:12,480
for for decades as well so they they

1308
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:14,579
deserve their credit and you know time

1309
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:16,380
to step into the spotlight too and and

1310
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:18,420
talk about the UFO subject to an

1311
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:20,220
audience that maybe is focused primarily

1312
00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:24,300
on on us-based events in the past so um

1313
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,859
it's I think it's good timing and I hope

1314
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,540
to get more of them coming forward too

1315
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:29,280
which is great

1316
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:31,560
um but my worry was that people were

1317
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:34,020
going to be disappointed by default that

1318
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:36,060
it wasn't the phenomenon that it was too

1319
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:38,760
specific there wasn't enough footage or

1320
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,700
Smoking Gun footage and it was more of

1321
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:42,960
the same in terms of the aerial

1322
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,460
phenomenon dot queer there was nothing

1323
00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:47,040
new but just a very well presented case

1324
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:49,020
of something that happened

1325
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,780
um and I'm pleasantly surprised that the

1326
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:53,520
reaction online's been overwhelmingly

1327
00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:54,839
positive

1328
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:57,060
well that's just the cleanliness of my

1329
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:58,619
Twitter timeline these days I don't know

1330
00:45:02,089 --> 00:45:00,839
but I've only really seen positive

1331
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:02,099
reviews and people really really

1332
00:45:05,630 --> 00:45:03,960
enjoying it even even looking on Rotten

1333
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:05,640
Tomatoes I could only find one one

1334
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:08,280
review that was damning and and the

1335
00:45:10,970 --> 00:45:09,720
points the guy was making are a lot of

1336
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:10,980
what we're talking about here he was

1337
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:12,119
just being a lot more negative about

1338
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:14,220
them you know uh I think you say it's

1339
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:15,599
not the phenomenon too it was never

1340
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:17,400
going to be this is kind of you know

1341
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,619
that was for us this one's for James and

1342
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:21,300
and it would be really cool kind of

1343
00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:23,220
seeing as he goes forward if he kind of

1344
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,540
keeps that up you know if he does a

1345
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:25,920
general overview and then he dives into

1346
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,380
a case and kind of builds this body of

1347
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,480
evidence it's really good to kind of

1348
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,119
show people that there are cases that

1349
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,560
you can go and investigate like this

1350
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:36,480
that you know don't have a bow on them

1351
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:38,040
and the conclusions haven't been made

1352
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,960
and there is work to do similar to the

1353
00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:41,520
stuff we did in Colombia you know this

1354
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,020
stuff is everywhere not just South

1355
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,319
America so we've all got these

1356
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:48,300
production devices in our pockets now

1357
00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:49,619
you know you can go film with the latest

1358
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:51,300
iPhone and just kind of start putting

1359
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:52,619
together some really good documentaries

1360
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,079
on this stuff and it's perfect timing as

1361
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:56,640
well because you know the US has taken

1362
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:57,900
it seriously the world is kind of

1363
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:00,119
watching so if you have a local case

1364
00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:02,460
that you think is is compelling like go

1365
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:03,960
make a documentary about it you know it

1366
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,859
doesn't have to be an hour and a half

1367
00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:06,180
long it could be 40 minutes but just

1368
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:08,099
start telling the world about the case

1369
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,400
yep be a tech talk documentary you know

1370
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:12,960
there's a audience there for that these

1371
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:15,300
days I hate Tech talk you know that

1372
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:17,460
um just some some reviews people left on

1373
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:19,500
Twitter when I asked about how they how

1374
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,060
they felt immediately they can a day of

1375
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:23,280
releasing day after and Terry said just

1376
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,260
finished and loved it Brennan excited to

1377
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:27,839
watch it uh Toby just said I've just

1378
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:29,220
seen it on the big screen there is so

1379
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,839
much compelling and emotive test to me

1380
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:32,400
that builds a strong picture of what I'm

1381
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:34,260
now sure was a bizarre UFO crash

1382
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:36,180
military recovery a search by another

1383
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:39,060
UFO and capture of live beings in Brazil

1384
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,619
with us involvement everyone should

1385
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:42,960
watch to which David replied no thank

1386
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:43,980
you

1387
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:47,040
um David elaborate nope that was it

1388
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:50,280
Corby then politely replace polite okay

1389
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:51,420
okay then

1390
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,980
um so yeah there you go

1391
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:54,839
um Trevor had it queued up and ready to

1392
00:46:59,690 --> 00:46:57,060
buy Jean Francois Charlie bar had just

1393
00:47:01,309 --> 00:46:59,700
bought it on uh iTunes uh he said he was

1394
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,319
going to watch it now and he followed up

1395
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:03,599
with not as strong as the phenomenon the

1396
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:05,339
best moment for him was when Carlos de

1397
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:07,020
Souza was running to the crash site

1398
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:08,640
repeating it's here it's here a true

1399
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:10,200
emotion in the moment they captured and

1400
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,119
that's what we talked about that and the

1401
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:14,400
movie ends leaving so many questions an

1402
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,500
unfinished story which I think are very

1403
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:18,359
fair points and yeah yeah pretty much

1404
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:20,220
along with what we've said

1405
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,780
um you almost could have had like a big

1406
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,040
title card at the end with to be

1407
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:25,680
continued right yes dot dot question

1408
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:28,200
mark yeah the old school

1409
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:29,880
um Dr David holzma loved that as well

1410
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:31,740
one of the most emotional UFO docs I've

1411
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:34,319
seen so far lots of heart and Scott

1412
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:36,060
Fisher just watched it from iTunes in

1413
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:37,680
Australia oh my God what an amazing

1414
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:39,780
documentary and guaranteed to stalk the

1415
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:42,180
disclosure fires even more

1416
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:43,079
um

1417
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:45,420
John Roberts getting to the point I

1418
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:46,859
don't even think the object is being

1419
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:49,859
seen know what they are so yeah or error

1420
00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:51,660
we even know what they are so a lot of

1421
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:53,339
interesting points there from folks all

1422
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,839
very fair that the reviews have been

1423
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,339
really positive I think if you've seen

1424
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:58,319
it people at James Fox One want you to

1425
00:48:02,030 --> 00:48:00,180
go and pick up a copy and leave feedback

1426
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,040
but like get on Rotten Tomatoes Get on

1427
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,740
iTunes and leave a rating and review and

1428
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:06,000
let them know what you think because

1429
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:08,280
that all helps with algorithms and we

1430
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:09,540
always talk about it in terms of YouTube

1431
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,980
and Twitter and things like that as well

1432
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:12,960
for the podcast but yeah leave your

1433
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:14,760
creators and stuff reviews because it

1434
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,020
really does help in a lot of bits of

1435
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:17,760
feedback like that yeah yeah it's

1436
00:48:20,569 --> 00:48:19,260
essentially their job right like it's

1437
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:20,579
just giving feedback that they're doing

1438
00:48:24,050 --> 00:48:22,140
their job well and and it helps

1439
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:24,060
propagate it kind of out there and like

1440
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,560
you said earlier people will go and

1441
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:27,599
search for like UFO documentaries so if

1442
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:29,160
you leave a good review this will pop up

1443
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:31,319
near the top I wanted to ask you just

1444
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:33,000
just kind of I feel like we're rapping

1445
00:48:36,829 --> 00:48:34,680
now what did you think about the section

1446
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,839
with Eric Lopez you know where he he was

1447
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:38,700
threatening to

1448
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,910
I had shared um that clip months ago

1449
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:48,900
that was one by mistake remember James

1450
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:50,280
sent me it and I was asking for

1451
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:51,720
something to share on the podcast so

1452
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,420
it's on the YouTube right like yeah yeah

1453
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,920
I didn't realize I wasn't meant to share

1454
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:57,119
that and it was a misunderstanding

1455
00:49:00,290 --> 00:48:58,740
between myself and James I'm not a guy

1456
00:49:01,970 --> 00:49:00,300
who goes for click bait and you know

1457
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,980
sensationalism so

1458
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:04,020
um yeah

1459
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:05,280
I don't know how much of that is

1460
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:07,079
dramatic license

1461
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,300
um you know it was kind of dramatic no

1462
00:49:14,089 --> 00:49:11,040
one likes having you know threats of

1463
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,099
being shot at them but I get I get the

1464
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,680
emotion behind it is there something

1465
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,440
that you're expecting me to say on that

1466
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:21,119
did you have no I was just curious it's

1467
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:22,319
just one of those points that I feel

1468
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:23,640
like a lot of people will kind of be

1469
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,020
like they didn't talk about that and and

1470
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:26,880
it's kind of the big moment of the film

1471
00:49:30,349 --> 00:49:28,140
isn't it where they finally find this

1472
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:30,359
guy who's supposedly been in hiding and

1473
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,460
he threatens to shoot them and they they

1474
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:35,280
ask him if he's ever gonna uh

1475
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:37,619
come out with his testimony and and he

1476
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:39,180
doesn't really answer he just kind of

1477
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,460
threatens to yeah shoot them or get off

1478
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,560
my property it would be really nice if

1479
00:49:46,849 --> 00:49:45,599
we could decisively see whether he had

1480
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:46,859
something to say or whether he's just

1481
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,680
been annoyed by being hounded by people

1482
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:51,119
maybe that's something we can ask AJ

1483
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:53,579
yeah that's that's fair

1484
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:55,140
um and you wonder do people like kg

1485
00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:57,000
maybe have conversations because they're

1486
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:58,859
based more locally and things like that

1487
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,420
and off the Record you know and

1488
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,119
privately so yeah yeah good show um I

1489
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:05,760
think I would have had more

1490
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:07,560
do you know what it is I think given

1491
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:09,060
what's happened in recent days of the

1492
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,440
last week since the release and the

1493
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:12,480
rumors of what's potentially to come

1494
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:16,079
it's made it feel like this was part one

1495
00:50:20,329 --> 00:50:19,020
and it's like okay rather it being a

1496
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:20,339
complete piece

1497
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:22,020
like like some of the listeners said

1498
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:23,520
that that and you mentioned they're that

1499
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,260
to be continued it's like okay we're

1500
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:28,319
waiting on the next part now and that

1501
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:29,640
wouldn't have been the case a few weeks

1502
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,660
ago

1503
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:32,640
yeah that's true it's very much like

1504
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,740
since this has come out and Yeah like

1505
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:36,720
like and you've already alluded to it is

1506
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:38,220
that just a marketing machine or is

1507
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:40,260
there more to come or and I guess we'll

1508
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:42,300
we'll see but as it stands you know

1509
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,520
comparing it to something like uh a tear

1510
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:46,500
in the sky which again was very much you

1511
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:47,640
know they didn't present all of their

1512
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:49,500
results in there that was kind of like

1513
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:51,720
more is coming uh I I feel like this

1514
00:50:54,829 --> 00:50:53,400
fared a lot better in terms of the

1515
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:54,839
presentation of the case and it was a

1516
00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:56,339
lot more honest in terms of you know

1517
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:58,200
James saying I don't know if something

1518
00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:59,819
happened but something sure seems to

1519
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:01,740
have gone on and and we're investigating

1520
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:04,140
it you know and to be fair on that I

1521
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,640
would love to say that I would have

1522
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:07,920
liked to seen James Fox direct and

1523
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,900
present a tear in the sky with those

1524
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:11,839
guys yeah

1525
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:14,700
that's not necessarily the uepx crew's

1526
00:51:17,809 --> 00:51:16,380
fault as we said at the time for anyone

1527
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:17,819
who hasn't heard the attack in the Sky

1528
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,020
review

1529
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:20,880
um but yeah out of 10 flying saucers for

1530
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:24,180
you then uh I would give this I would

1531
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,540
say seven and a half to eight

1532
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:30,480
um yeah I feel like am I getting okay

1533
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:32,099
you went slightly you went slightly more

1534
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:33,960
yeah I think

1535
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,599
seven a high seven

1536
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:39,119
um as as yeah very fair and a very

1537
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:41,460
strong highly recommended

1538
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,319
um that you go and seek this one out I

1539
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:45,119
don't think you are in any way shape or

1540
00:51:49,790 --> 00:51:47,880
form wasting your cash yeah and if if

1541
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,800
you do buy it you know um our guarantee

1542
00:51:55,609 --> 00:51:51,599
is Dan will refund you if you have not

1543
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:55,619
so enjoyed in in stickers yeah yes even

1544
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:58,559
then yeah Hogs yeah

1545
00:52:01,849 --> 00:52:00,059
um if you want to purchase it the links

1546
00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:01,859
are in the description but it is um

1547
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,640
Genie g-e-n-i dot us forward slash

1548
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:07,440
moment of contact or for those who like

1549
00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:10,859
the the US accent I can do g-e-n-i dot

1550
00:52:14,809 --> 00:52:13,079
us forward slash moment of contact when

1551
00:52:17,470 --> 00:52:14,819
when are you and Ross Colton gonna have

1552
00:52:20,349 --> 00:52:17,480
a come to Long impression off

1553
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:20,359
uh maybe one day yeah

1554
00:52:24,049 --> 00:52:22,920
I've actually verified oh God this is a

1555
00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:24,059
bad thing to finish on because it's not

1556
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:26,099
related in the slightest but I've been

1557
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:27,900
I've said to you applauding through the

1558
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:31,020
secret machines um audiobook sure and uh

1559
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:32,760
the narrator do you know his name off by

1560
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:33,480
heart

1561
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:36,119
uh I don't know I love some of his

1562
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:38,940
attempts at different voices

1563
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:42,480
um yeah some of them bottling on on PC

1564
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,900
but it's yeah it was really surprising

1565
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:47,280
and I was like oh God I wasn't expecting

1566
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,900
that one up when I heard it um I don't

1567
00:52:51,770 --> 00:52:50,400
think I heard the audiobook I'll have

1568
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:51,780
I'll have to go back and listen to it

1569
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:53,880
I'll send it on the rough rough time

1570
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,280
stamp yeah okay but yeah go and check

1571
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,839
that one out folks as well but yes thank

1572
00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:59,760
you very much Dan thanks for joining me

1573
00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:01,380
you're very welcome thank you for having

1574
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,420
me and just before we go so do you

1575
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:05,040
decisively think that there were the

1576
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,150
uh I think there are non-human creatures

1577
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:14,880
here okay yeah absolutely thanks folks

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podcast a review on your chosen platform

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you can like retweet And subscribe that

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would all be very much appreciated the

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shows are being uploaded onto YouTube as

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we speak more and more you can sign up

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at patreon.com forward slash that UFO

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podcast to access it shows ad free as

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well please get in touch on Twitter

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Facebook Instagram that UFO podcast of

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course on Twitter at UFO UAP am and

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again folks as always keep looking up

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you never know what you might see

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me

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[Music]

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I can't imagine

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they thought this was noise

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[Music]

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